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Allanon754 · Mar 01, 2007, 08:26 PM // 20:26

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Originally Posted by wsmcasey

There will always be a problem with WTB/WTS spam until the day Anet does either one of two things.

1) Auction house.

2) Allow people to set up individual trade shops. Setup a heading for your shop, price your items and put your items you want to sell in a trade window, click "submit" and your shop is set up with the shop name over your head. You can stay or go afk if you want. Games like Flyff & Hero Online do this and they do NOT have issues with WTB/WTS spam (this trade method works extremely well).

After almost 2 years of playing Guildwars I've come to the conclusion that Anet really doesnt care about this issue all that much. If they did care, they would have done something about it 2 years ago, lmao.

EverQuest also did that with the Bazaar where you would put up your items stand in a, bazaar (D'oh!), and sit while people would use a search to find what items were up for sale, including yours and what price you were offering for it. I personally prefer Horizons system which let you drop off items and when they were sold you would get the money no matter where you were. I also have tried to get people stop spamming and will get many messages like, yah I hate them to but what can ya do?

It would be really cool if on Gw guru we could organize a clean up day, like a clean Earth day where a bunch of us tried to flood LA with good behavior

. Oh, and a sidenote... can't GMs be volunteers? A friend of mine was a GM in EverQuest and I don't remember him being paid for his time.

Tempy · Mar 01, 2007, 09:28 PM // 21:28

For those that keep saying just let them spam and play the way they want.

5. When communicating in Guild Wars using Global Chat (including, without limitation, server wide chat and use of the whisper command), you may not spam, flood, or make duplicate posts. For more information, please see the User Agreement section 4 (j).

Seems to me a blatant break of the RoC.

EDIT: I would so volunteer to be a GM!

Omega X · Mar 01, 2007, 09:41 PM // 21:41

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Originally Posted by Tempy

For those that keep saying just let them spam and play the way they want.

5. When communicating in Guild Wars using Global Chat (including, without limitation, server wide chat and use of the whisper command), you may not spam, flood, or make duplicate posts. For more information, please see the User Agreement section 4 (j).

Seems to me a blatant break of the RoC.

EDIT: I would so volunteer to be a GM!

Wow, there it is in plain sight.

The only problem with reporting them is what will NC Soft do once they get that report? IT defeats the purpose of a User Agreement if they won't enforce it.

Code=007 · Mar 01, 2007, 09:54 PM // 21:54

I was thinking volunteer gm's powers should only be mutes, not bans and pretty short like 2 hours or maybe 4.

Vamis Threen · Mar 01, 2007, 09:59 PM // 21:59

Volunteer GMs? Delusions of grandeur, mate. Tin-pot tyrants who believe they have a monopoly on what GW is "really" about? Nein danke.

Tempy · Mar 01, 2007, 10:09 PM // 22:09

Well we surely know what it's NOT about! There is NO REASON nearly everyone that plays this game should have to have their local channel turned off, because of a few people that "Don't Effin Care!"

*sighs* I miss Beta Times, and even the first few months after release.

Commander Ryker · Mar 02, 2007, 10:06 PM // 22:06

I think the whole player GM idea could work and it wouldn't cost anet anything more then maybe some cool special armor, weapons or mini's. As far as the other question that was asked, "Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes" (who will guard the guardians)....well, they'll just have to be careful of who they pick and keep an eye on who and why they ban.

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Originally Posted by ZenRgy

Play with people only you know, do you think those leavers who don't care enough to stay for the whole round care enough to not join the party to spoil your experience?

That's just the way things go, sad but true.

You make it sound so easy. There's not always people you know on or the're
busy or any number of reasons why you can't count on friends all the time.

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Originally Posted by TwinRaven

You create your own kharma....If you want to live in a positive world...be positive. I play the game and see a LOT of juvinile crap. It does not, however, effect me anymore...I tend to read through it to see if someone needs help. In pre-searing I have a character that does not much more than kill charr and give the drops to lvl 1s appearing in Ascalon for the first time. I run ppl from place to place for free...I give out information...and without being rude, or appearing offended, I say things in local chat like "Will the Hitler Youth rally participants kindly move to district 14, your party is waiting for you there" (usually after the racist crap starts to flow and there are only 10 available districts)....A sense of humor can go a long way. If someone bugs you personally, put them on ignore....or better yet....on your friends list...When they are online you can whisper to them things like: You get a hug today? Are you in a positive space today? How's the anger management coming along? Sure, they will put you on ignore....but they might get creeped out enough by your lack of negativity that they will think twice about spewing hate...Sounds hokey and kinda weird? Yes! It is...that's why it works....especially when they start crying "harrassment" and you say..."please print and send the chat log to ANet...I've been nothing but kind." You can't really kill anyone with kindness, but you can bug the hell outta them with it...Seriously, though, helping those who need it is more than a distraction from the negativity...it sets a mood, an expectation and a model for behavior. Do a good turn and it may come back to you...Let's face it: anonymity breeds stupidity...all you can do is try and combat it with what you find good in the game...

I was getting geared up to argue the kharma and positive attitude thing (I normally have an excellent positive attitude) and then I read the rest of your post. Asking them if they need a hug.....omg, that's brilliant! I usually ask, who pissed in your cheerio's, but I like your idea's way better.

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Originally Posted by Iscana

Same for missions, Alliance battles. I formed a team and each time I made sure that I wasn't taking a leaver with me.

How do you make sure there are no leavers? I've been in skill cap groups who all swore they would stick around after they got theirs and guess what......they didn't.

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Originally Posted by Dahnel

I was going to read all that until i noticed i'm one of those "I Don't Care" people.

And you're proud of this?

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Originally Posted by Code=007

resposability(sp?)

Responsibility. I always google a word if I'm not sure how to spell it. If it's wrong, it says....."did you mean this (fill in the word)?"

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Originally Posted by Gli

I think guilds and alliances have totally monopolized the social aspect of the game.

Well, the game is called Guild Wars. I'd like to know why you think that tho.

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Originally Posted by Sir Skullcrusher

It's a game, peoples have the right to acted like the way they are!

No they don't. Read KiyaKoreena's quote below.

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Originally Posted by KiyaKoreena

Then I have the "right" not to be exposed to the filth that some people spew. Unfortunatly "rights" are a sorely misunderstood, greatly abused, and sometimes completely fabricated notion.

It's a social setting. They should have been taught what behavior is inappropriate. Before reaching adolesence I had been taught it is inappropriate to curse, describe sexual acts, and generally be a twit in public. If people want to act like that with their friends, fine, but don't do it in a public area and subject others to such idiocy.

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

Maybe they should have a "Guild Wars for Ignorant People" version so they can all get together.

Nah, it probably wouldn't work because most of them don't think they are doing anything wrong. Maybe mark a few districts as selling/spamming, asshat places, that way the rest of us can avoid it. Oh, wait a minute, there already is, Dist 1 in any post, gw.

SirShadowrunner · Mar 02, 2007, 10:24 PM // 22:24

Been saying this for over a year, until an auction house is implemented
we are going to have to put up with spam in the local channel, even then it
might not totally fix it.
I purpose anyone caught spamming even once in local chat will be banned
for one week on first offense, three weeks on second offense and you
loose your account on the third offense, have this as the message of the day,
and I bet you will completely cleanup the local channel.
Whomever posted about only having guild and AC on is 100% correct,
this is the way most ppl run now, why they do not have some GM's watching
the main towns and districts is beyond me.

Just to take the sellers side for a second, I completely understand why
ppl do this, IT WORKS and you can sell stuff faster, many times I have been
in a town with the trades channel turned off and I see an item come across
local for a good price, and I bought it, so yes this is supporting it, but it
goes back to the root of the problem, there is no good way to sell stuff in
this game, and basically this is a main part of the pve world.

So anet put your little heads together and cancel the next festival with
hats and drinks and get to work on the auction house.

tomcruisejr · Mar 02, 2007, 10:33 PM // 22:33

More GMs means collective e-fascism.

sindex · Mar 03, 2007, 12:27 AM // 00:27

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Originally Posted by Iscana

.......(snip) I also played a lot of WoW which I like as well, and I saw that on the server I played there is a huge social community. People help, totally no chat spamming, nobody cursing except towards AI

and the people that are actually pugs .. well they don't bother others with it. I would love to see GW being the same social game, but I think that won't happen unless Anet introduces a monthly fee.........(snip)

Ha-ha,

I beg to differ; people in WoW are still as immature and ungrateful as they are in GW. Even if they are better at catching people the masses are still just as bad. Futhermore people are that way in general; for all you know you could be talking to a serial killer, who plays really “nicey nice.”

Warmaster Patton · Mar 03, 2007, 12:45 AM // 00:45

GM's are much needed, I wish you could just stop people from talking some of the time, a little ban like 30 minutes could work as well, just to tell that what they are doing is not acceptable. If they do it again they get longer and longer bans, hopefully they will get it after a few. I do see this being abused badly though, so A-net should keep an eye on all the GMs to see who the ban and what they ban for.

profscooter · Mar 03, 2007, 10:39 PM // 22:39

I agree, something needs to be done about increasing intolerance and bad behaviour generally, it seems to be getting significantly worse just in the last few months. Bad language, chat spam, pick-up groups arguing or berating each other, "noob" calling - I really notice the difference recently, 15 months ago when I started it all seemed much calmer. Maybe it needs some GMs (I'd volunteer), auction house, or even a monthly fee - whatever it takes - let's hope Anet cotton-on to the way the community is falling apart and do something about it fast.

Diddy bow · Mar 03, 2007, 11:04 PM // 23:04

I'd love to be a GM but there is no way a-net could pick responaple ppl all the time how can they know who is and who isnt??

Only way to rally fix spam is trade inprovment but a-net would sooner give us more storage than do such a thing

Racthoh · Mar 03, 2007, 11:38 PM // 23:38

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Originally Posted by Zomgitsme

Anyways, I think the GW community is the best ever and GM's would make it like...communism. Communism is bad, btw.

I've turned on local chat before; I'd prefer communism at this point. Not enforcing the rules sends the message that if you can get away with it, do it. This is pretty evident in LA district 1's local chat or the obvious bots in Yohlon Haven, Granite Citadel, Altrumm Ruins etc...

GrimWizard · Mar 04, 2007, 12:14 AM // 00:14

When did enforcing rules and a respectful atmosphere equate to enforcing Communism, Fascism, and Tyrany?! Last time I checked having a police force doesn't turn a country into communists.

The simple fact is that people are not following the rules and/or being overly obnoxious and no one can stop them. At this point in time doing nothing about it is the worst part of the problem.

Wretchman Drake · Mar 04, 2007, 01:29 AM // 01:29

I see nothing wrong with the community when I'm in game. I DO suggest, however, they check out Great Temple of Balthazar Dis 1, it's worse than an MSN chat room over there, so many immature kids flame it up and it's a pain to be zoned there...

Azza · Mar 04, 2007, 07:54 AM // 07:54

Having a GM,I like the Idea personally but it would need to be monitored, well if they did, one way i could see it working is giving a responsible person an extra Charcter slot that only holds a "Policeman" Toon that can access all chapters and towns, not be able to access explorable areas and not able to access towns that other Police Toons are in.
Warnings issued to people in Bold Red that only have Whisper functions available, ie, not to be used for general chat like public flaming of idiots (as much as they deserve it) or/and perhaps a Set script only for Local and Trade chat like "A Guild Wars Monitor is currently accessing the legitamate use of all Chat Channels" this Police toon would need to be linked some how so when a persons name is entered in Whisp all details are relayed to A-net so they can make sure all protocals are being adhered to, have no ability to turn off any chat. Ohh but still have access to your Guild / Alliance chat as normal. probably need set scripts that are scrolled, not sure? ie "You are currently spamming the local chat, your details have been sent to A-Net for further Investigation" or "The Language you are currently using is not approriatefor the community of guild wars, your details etc etc" you get the point i hope. the set robotic phone script we all hate
wouldnt take long before people started behaving in some sort of socially acceptable way,
lol, i can imagine some would be doing all sorts of emotes to these toons, but that would only be funny and harmless
Well my $ 0.02 worth anyway

Tempy · Mar 04, 2007, 08:18 AM // 08:18

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Originally Posted by GrimWizard

When did enforcing rules and a respectful atmosphere equate to enforcing Communism, Fascism, and Tyrany?! Last time I checked having a police force doesn't turn a country into communists.

The simple fact is that people are not following the rules and/or being overly obnoxious and no one can stop them. At this point in time doing nothing about it is the worst part of the problem.

Thank you very much! Glad I am not the only one that found this a bit off.

profscooter · Mar 04, 2007, 08:39 AM // 08:39

My guess at what is happening is this: first couple of Christmases, GW was lower profile, bought mainly by/for gamers who know about how on-line RPGs are supposed to work. This last Christmas, the game has a much higher profile on the net and on shop shelves, it has been bought as a gift for some folks whose real-life personalities are perhaps not best suited to this kind of game. I can only see the situation getting worse when Chapter 4 comes out. And of course it only costs money to the gift-giver, for the recipient to misbehave in-game is free of charge. I feel certain that nowadays, your average decent person, turning up for the very first time in Ascalon City or Kaineng would be in for a bit of a shock, and question whether they really wanted to spend time in this game. At the very least there should be GMs regularly stationed in starter locations to reassure people, as it may take some time for newcomers to find their way and settle in to a decent guild. Even then, having the security of a guild and turning off local chat is just avoiding dealing with the underlying problem - which is that without stricter controls, GW - which is a fabulous game - could end up being ruined by becoming a dumping ground for all kinds of RPG low-lifes.

tomcruisejr · Mar 04, 2007, 08:58 AM // 08:58

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Originally Posted by GrimWizard

When did enforcing rules and a respectful atmosphere equate to enforcing Communism, Fascism, and Tyrany?! Last time I checked having a police force doesn't turn a country into communists.

The police force doesn't coerce people to smile at each other, to say hello to each other and give cookies to each other though, last time i check.